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    Post  mobileusa on March 24th 2010, 5:01 pm

    these will have No Rez pre installed!! Laughing

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    Post  se-riously on March 24th 2010, 5:27 pm

    Interesting.... Looks like an enlarged Ref 100 cabinet, with a Vifa tweeter and the 7" Atohm drivers from a Ref 3.

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    Post  Hugh on March 24th 2010, 5:29 pm

    How can you tell B? Wink Smile
    se-riously wrote:Interesting.... Looks like an enlarged Ref 100 cabinet, with a Vifa tweeter and the 7" Atohm drivers from a Ref 3.
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    Post  mobileusa on March 24th 2010, 5:31 pm

    ahhh, but a special XO Like a Star @ heaven

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    Post  jedinite24 on March 24th 2010, 6:30 pm

    Wow those are some really nice, solid looking speakers.

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    Post  Larry D on March 24th 2010, 8:01 pm

    Is this speaker going to be able like the AV123 X-CS (I believe) to also function as L-R mains. The reason I ask I was surprised when Mark told me he had used his as mains. My question had been the same as to you, i.e., if it could function as mains because it was not "ported" and was a "sealed" enclosure which meant that it was designed to be placed closer to the back wall (or a tv, whatever), and that was important because our listening room was small and I couldn't allow main speakers to be pulled out 2-3-4 feet into the room. Just curious. If the answer is positive, that would be an additional good selling point for these speakers. Good luck. Larry

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    Post  Hugh on March 24th 2010, 8:04 pm

    Larry,

    They are rear ported.

    Larry D wrote:Is this speaker going to be able like the AV123 X-CS (I believe) to also function as L-R mains. The reason I ask I was surprised when Mark told me he had used his as mains. My question had been the same as to you, i.e., if it could function as mains because it was not "ported" and was a "sealed" enclosure which meant that it was designed to be placed closer to the back wall (or a tv, whatever), and that was important because our listening room was small and I couldn't allow main speakers to be pulled out 2-3-4 feet into the room. Just curious. If the answer is positive, that would be an additional good selling point for these speakers. Good luck. Larry
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    Post  mobileusa on March 24th 2010, 8:09 pm

    But the use of these as LR is highly recommended....
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    Post  edoggrc51 on March 24th 2010, 8:11 pm

    Hi Hugh! Congrats on the speaker, it looks GREAT!

    So when's my audition?? Very Happy
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    Post  woofersus on March 24th 2010, 8:11 pm

    Hugh wrote:Larry,

    They are rear ported.

    Larry D wrote:Is this speaker going to be able like the AV123 X-CS (I believe) to also function as L-R mains. The reason I ask I was surprised when Mark told me he had used his as mains. My question had been the same as to you, i.e., if it could function as mains because it was not "ported" and was a "sealed" enclosure which meant that it was designed to be placed closer to the back wall (or a tv, whatever), and that was important because our listening room was small and I couldn't allow main speakers to be pulled out 2-3-4 feet into the room. Just curious. If the answer is positive, that would be an additional good selling point for these speakers. Good luck. Larry

    There are both ported and sealed designs that can be used as mains. It's just one of many design decisions. The only downside of the X-CS as mains was that they didn't have quite the bass extension as the ported versions. Of course, these were designed to be budget speakers, and there are always cost trade-offs to be made there. Also, many center channels are ported, like these.

    In the case of Hugh's new LCR's, they were specifically designed to function as center/left/right. I don't have the final specs yet, but they are ported speakers that should have pretty decent low end oomph given the 7" atohm drivers. Plus, the front three will match perfectly, which is important for a seamless front stage. Should have most of the Ref 3 sound for 2-channel and be MUCH better than the old Ref 100 for HT. I'm looking forward to my turn to demo them! Very Happy
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    Post  mobileusa on March 24th 2010, 8:15 pm

    7"?...nice!...not to mention the new XO design...
    woofersus wrote:
    Hugh wrote:Larry,

    They are rear ported.

    Larry D wrote:Is this speaker going to be able like the AV123 X-CS (I believe) to also function as L-R mains. The reason I ask I was surprised when Mark told me he had used his as mains. My question had been the same as to you, i.e., if it could function as mains because it was not "ported" and was a "sealed" enclosure which meant that it was designed to be placed closer to the back wall (or a tv, whatever), and that was important because our listening room was small and I couldn't allow main speakers to be pulled out 2-3-4 feet into the room. Just curious. If the answer is positive, that would be an additional good selling point for these speakers. Good luck. Larry

    There are both ported and sealed designs that can be used as mains. It's just one of many design decisions. The only downside of the X-CS as mains was that they didn't have quite the bass extension as the ported versions. Of course, these were designed to be budget speakers, and there are always cost trade-offs to be made there. Also, many center channels are ported, like these.

    In the case of Hugh's new LCR's, they were specifically designed to function as center/left/right. I don't have the final specs yet, but they are ported speakers that should have pretty decent low end oomph given the 7" atohm drivers. Plus, the front three will match perfectly, which is important for a seamless front stage. Should have most of the Ref 3 sound for 2-channel and be MUCH better than the old Ref 100 for HT. I'm looking forward to my turn to demo them! Very Happy
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    Post  woofersus on March 24th 2010, 8:19 pm

    Hugh can correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the Ref 3's woofers are 7 inchers. The old Ref 100 used the smaller drivers from the Ref 1's and 2's. Should be a nice upgrade. The importance of the NoRez should not be underestimated either - especially when using as a center channel.

    mobileusa wrote:7"?...nice!...not to mention the new XO design...
    woofersus wrote:
    Hugh wrote:Larry,

    They are rear ported.

    Larry D wrote:Is this speaker going to be able like the AV123 X-CS (I believe) to also function as L-R mains. The reason I ask I was surprised when Mark told me he had used his as mains. My question had been the same as to you, i.e., if it could function as mains because it was not "ported" and was a "sealed" enclosure which meant that it was designed to be placed closer to the back wall (or a tv, whatever), and that was important because our listening room was small and I couldn't allow main speakers to be pulled out 2-3-4 feet into the room. Just curious. If the answer is positive, that would be an additional good selling point for these speakers. Good luck. Larry

    There are both ported and sealed designs that can be used as mains. It's just one of many design decisions. The only downside of the X-CS as mains was that they didn't have quite the bass extension as the ported versions. Of course, these were designed to be budget speakers, and there are always cost trade-offs to be made there. Also, many center channels are ported, like these.

    In the case of Hugh's new LCR's, they were specifically designed to function as center/left/right. I don't have the final specs yet, but they are ported speakers that should have pretty decent low end oomph given the 7" atohm drivers. Plus, the front three will match perfectly, which is important for a seamless front stage. Should have most of the Ref 3 sound for 2-channel and be MUCH better than the old Ref 100 for HT. I'm looking forward to my turn to demo them! Very Happy
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    Post  mobileusa on March 24th 2010, 8:29 pm

    rear pics...of the LCR





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    Post  mobileusa on March 24th 2010, 8:34 pm

    Port looks very nice....

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    Post  ch46eseaknight on March 24th 2010, 9:37 pm

    Great looking cabinets! Are thoes Vifa tweeters?

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    Post  Hugh on March 24th 2010, 9:38 pm

    They are indeed 7".
    woofersus wrote:Hugh can correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the Ref 3's woofers are 7 inchers. The old Ref 100 used the smaller drivers from the Ref 1's and 2's. Should be a nice upgrade. The importance of the NoRez should not be underestimated either - especially when using as a center channel.

    mobileusa wrote:7"?...nice!...not to mention the new XO design...
    woofersus wrote:
    Hugh wrote:Larry,

    They are rear ported.

    Larry D wrote:Is this speaker going to be able like the AV123 X-CS (I believe) to also function as L-R mains. The reason I ask I was surprised when Mark told me he had used his as mains. My question had been the same as to you, i.e., if it could function as mains because it was not "ported" and was a "sealed" enclosure which meant that it was designed to be placed closer to the back wall (or a tv, whatever), and that was important because our listening room was small and I couldn't allow main speakers to be pulled out 2-3-4 feet into the room. Just curious. If the answer is positive, that would be an additional good selling point for these speakers. Good luck. Larry

    There are both ported and sealed designs that can be used as mains. It's just one of many design decisions. The only downside of the X-CS as mains was that they didn't have quite the bass extension as the ported versions. Of course, these were designed to be budget speakers, and there are always cost trade-offs to be made there. Also, many center channels are ported, like these.

    In the case of Hugh's new LCR's, they were specifically designed to function as center/left/right. I don't have the final specs yet, but they are ported speakers that should have pretty decent low end oomph given the 7" atohm drivers. Plus, the front three will match perfectly, which is important for a seamless front stage. Should have most of the Ref 3 sound for 2-channel and be MUCH better than the old Ref 100 for HT. I'm looking forward to my turn to demo them! Very Happy
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    Post  Hugh on March 24th 2010, 9:38 pm

    Yes they are.
    ch46eseaknight wrote:Great looking cabinets! Are thoes Vifa tweeters?

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    Post  Hugh on March 24th 2010, 9:39 pm

    Thanks Eric,

    Soon.
    edoggrc51 wrote:Hi Hugh! Congrats on the speaker, it looks GREAT!

    So when's my audition?? Very Happy
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    Post  edoggrc51 on March 25th 2010, 1:12 am

    Hugh wrote:Thanks Eric,

    Soon.
    edoggrc51 wrote:Hi Hugh! Congrats on the speaker, it looks GREAT!

    So when's my audition?? Very Happy


    SA-WEET!! cheers


    If there's anything I can help you out with, do not hesitate to ask my friend. Very Happy
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    Post  skeeter99 on March 25th 2010, 8:06 am

    Hugh those look fantastic! Well done my friend I really think you've got a great product on your hands. I really wish I could have taken you up on your offer Sad Next time and good luck with these, I can't wait to hear them!!

    Scott

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    Post  Hugh on March 25th 2010, 8:32 am

    Mr. AH,

    Thanks Scott.

    This is just the beginning. Wink Smile

    Call me if you change your mind.
    skeeter99 wrote:Hugh those look fantastic! Well done my friend I really think you've got a great product on your hands. I really wish I could have taken you up on your offer Sad Next time and good luck with these, I can't wait to hear them!!

    Scott
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    Post  skeeter99 on March 25th 2010, 8:46 am

    Hugh wrote:Mr. AH,

    Thanks Scott.

    This is just the beginning. Wink Smile

    Call me if you change your mind.

    Hugh, will do my friend! If I could offload my Mini's and Voce for a good price I could scrape together the rest of the money ... I'm sure this will be a fantastic setup and I can't wait to hear what you, Sean and the rest of your team think of them cheers

    Scott

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    Post  Hugh on March 25th 2010, 11:38 am

    I'll find out how good the L/R will be once we got to install the networks in them.
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    Hugh wrote:Mr. AH,

    Thanks Scott.

    This is just the beginning. Wink Smile

    Call me if you change your mind.

    Hugh, will do my friend! If I could offload my Mini's and Voce for a good price I could scrape together the rest of the money ... I'm sure this will be a fantastic setup and I can't wait to hear what you, Sean and the rest of your team think of them cheers

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    Post  woofersus on March 25th 2010, 12:13 pm

    I'm gonna go out on a limb and predict they sound significantly better with crossovers.... Razz

    Hugh wrote:I'll find out how good the L/R will be once we got to install the networks in them.
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    Hugh wrote:Mr. AH,

    Thanks Scott.

    This is just the beginning. Wink Smile

    Call me if you change your mind.

    Hugh, will do my friend! If I could offload my Mini's and Voce for a good price I could scrape together the rest of the money ... I'm sure this will be a fantastic setup and I can't wait to hear what you, Sean and the rest of your team think of them cheers

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    Post  skeeter99 on March 25th 2010, 12:40 pm

    woofersus wrote:I'm gonna go out on a limb and predict they sound significantly better with crossovers.... Razz

    Pure conjecture, I don't agree with that statement of assumption at all!

    Suspect

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    Post  Jamie Crane on March 25th 2010, 12:46 pm

    Did I miss the mention of price and when they will be available?
    Are there plans for a tower of some sort?

    Thanks

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    Post  Hugh on March 25th 2010, 12:48 pm

    No pricing defined yet and we're looking at 5 months from now for full scale production delivery, providing there will not be any major rework.

    I may come up with a tower later this year and then next year will a flagship model.

    Thanks,
    Jamie Crane wrote:Did I miss the mention of price and when they will be available?
    Are there plans for a tower of some sort?

    Thanks

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    Post  Hugh on March 25th 2010, 12:49 pm

    You guys are making me missed the good old days over there when we all get together to share our stories. Sad Very Happy
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    woofersus wrote:I'm gonna go out on a limb and predict they sound significantly better with crossovers.... Razz

    Pure conjecture, I don't agree with that statement of assumption at all!

    Suspect
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    Post  skeeter99 on March 25th 2010, 3:11 pm

    Hugh wrote:You guys are making me missed the good old days over there when we all get together to share our stories. Sad Very Happy

    Those were the good 'ole days but those are LONG gone now so we'll just have to make our own now bounce

    Here's to Mr. Hugh's new dynasty farao

    Very Happy

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    Post  Hugh on March 25th 2010, 4:23 pm

    cheers Very Happy
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    Hugh wrote:You guys are making me missed the good old days over there when we all get together to share our stories. Sad Very Happy

    Those were the good 'ole days but those are LONG gone now so we'll just have to make our own now bounce

    Here's to Mr. Hugh's new dynasty farao

    Very Happy

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    Post  etcarroll on March 25th 2010, 4:33 pm

    mobileusa wrote:ahhh, but a special XO Like a Star @ heaven

    And what's special about it?

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    Post  Hugh on March 25th 2010, 4:42 pm

    I wonder about that too. Wink Smile
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    mobileusa wrote:ahhh, but a special XO Like a Star @ heaven

    And what's special about it?
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    Post  skeeter99 on March 25th 2010, 4:44 pm

    Hugh wrote:I wonder about that too. Wink Smile
    etcarroll wrote:
    mobileusa wrote:ahhh, but a special XO Like a Star @ heaven

    And what's special about it?

    I hear the drum beat of enthusiasm for new REAL products being drummed up bounce

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    Post  Hugh on March 25th 2010, 4:59 pm

    Yes Sir. Smile

    Actually, instead of maximizing profits by using 'inexpensive' parts, I aim for the least amount of profit for the most bang for your buck.

    Will see if I'll lose my shirt on this. Very Happy
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    Hugh wrote:I wonder about that too. Wink Smile
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    mobileusa wrote:ahhh, but a special XO Like a Star @ heaven

    And what's special about it?

    I hear the drum beat of enthusiasm for new REAL products being drummed up bounce
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    Post  woofersus on March 25th 2010, 6:28 pm

    He ain't kidding. The "ingredients list" for these is fairly impressive.



    Hugh wrote:Yes Sir. Smile

    Actually, instead of maximizing profits by using 'inexpensive' parts, I aim for the least amount of profit for the most bang for your buck.

    Will see if I'll lose my shirt on this. Very Happy
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    Hugh wrote:I wonder about that too. Wink Smile
    etcarroll wrote:
    mobileusa wrote:ahhh, but a special XO Like a Star @ heaven

    And what's special about it?

    I hear the drum beat of enthusiasm for new REAL products being drummed up bounce
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    Post  skeeter99 on March 25th 2010, 7:13 pm

    Hugh wrote:Yes Sir. Smile

    Actually, instead of maximizing profits by using 'inexpensive' parts, I aim for the least amount of profit for the most bang for your buck.

    Will see if I'll lose my shirt on this. Very Happy

    woofersus wrote:He ain't kidding. The "ingredients list" for these is fairly impressive.

    There's no drooling smiley so here's my own
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    Post  skeeter99 on March 25th 2010, 7:16 pm

    How big are these suckers btw Question

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    Post  Hugh on March 25th 2010, 7:26 pm

    C: 9x12x24
    L/R: 9x16x24
    skeeter99 wrote:How big are these suckers btw Question
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    Post  skeeter99 on March 25th 2010, 7:30 pm

    Hugh wrote:C: 9x12x24
    L/R: 9x16x24

    So are the L/R's tuned lower then given the larger cabinet? The look monstrous ... which is Suh-Weet affraid

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    Post  Hugh on March 25th 2010, 7:30 pm

    Yup
    skeeter99 wrote:
    Hugh wrote:C: 9x12x24
    L/R: 9x16x24

    So are the L/R's tuned lower then given the larger cabinet? The look monstrous ... which is Suh-Weet affraid
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    Post  skeeter99 on March 25th 2010, 7:32 pm

    Hugh wrote:Yup

    Mmm ... yummy cyclops

    Anybody wanna set of Mini's and an X-Voce in mint condition?? bounce

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    Post  se-riously on March 26th 2010, 10:56 pm

    Hi Hugh,

    Since I'm already 1 for 1 on the tweeter and drivers, I'm going with my crystal ball and I'm going to guess the innards with the focus on bang-for-buck:

    1) NoRez (I know you gave that one away already)
    2) Danny Richie designed 2nd order XO
    3) Sonicap with a G2 bypass cap on the tweeter circuit
    4) Erse Pulse X cap on the driver circuit with a G2 bypass cap
    5) Inductors and resistors will be the standard type for cost reasons
    6) The tweeter circuit will be designed to cross over somewhere around 1900 to 2000 Hz
    7) +/- 3dB point of 35 Hz

    How am I doing?

    B

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    Post  Hugh on March 27th 2010, 7:00 am

    Morning B,

    You are real close. Smile

    Thanks
    se-riously wrote:Hi Hugh,

    Since I'm already 1 for 1 on the tweeter and drivers, I'm going with my crystal ball and I'm going to guess the innards with the focus on bang-for-buck:

    1) NoRez (I know you gave that one away already)
    2) Danny Richie designed 2nd order XO
    3) Sonicap with a G2 bypass cap on the tweeter circuit
    4) Erse Pulse X cap on the driver circuit with a G2 bypass cap
    5) Inductors and resistors will be the standard type for cost reasons
    6) The tweeter circuit will be designed to cross over somewhere around 1900 to 2000 Hz
    7) +/- 3dB point of 35 Hz

    How am I doing?

    B
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    Post  washburn on March 27th 2010, 6:57 pm

    what's the impedance on those?

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    Post  se-riously on March 27th 2010, 8:52 pm

    washburn wrote:what's the impedance on those?

    My crystal ball says 5 ohms.
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    Post  skeeter99 on March 27th 2010, 8:59 pm

    se-riously wrote:
    washburn wrote:what's the impedance on those?

    My crystal ball says 5 ohms.

    Nah I think its closer to 4.36572niner Laughing

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    Post  Hugh on March 28th 2010, 1:12 pm

    4Ohms. Smile

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